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Date: Wed, 12 May 93 05:00:05
From: Space Digest maintainer <digests@isu.isunet.edu>
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Subject: Space Digest V16 #554
To: Space Digest Readers
Precedence: bulk
Space Digest Wed, 12 May 93 Volume 16 : Issue 554
Today's Topics:
"365 days of the Shuttle flights"
ASTRONAUTS---WHAT DOES WEIGHTLESSNESS FEEL
Boom! Whoosh...... (3 msgs)
FAQ and Sky hooks..
HST Servicing Mission
landing at Edwards vs. the Cape
Life on Mars. (3 msgs)
Location Devices for RVs, also SARSATs
Mars Observer Update - 05/10/93
Neil Armstrong's first words (the real ones)
Space Advertising
Space Advertising and Visual Acuity
Vandalizing the Sky (2 msgs)
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Date: 11 May 1993 00:00:55 GMT
From: Pawel Moskalik <pam@wombat.phys.ufl.edu>
Subject: "365 days of the Shuttle flights"
Newsgroups: sci.space
>> Why did you leave out the Progress freighters? They're an integral part
>> of the Mir program and of Soviet/Russian manned spaceflight in general.
--
>> SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
>> between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
True. I just wanted to compare one manned spacecraft (shuttle) with another
manned spacecraft (Soyuz). Because Russians separate manned and cargo operations
and USA do not, it will be always a matter of choise how to make such comparison.
For example, if somebody wants to compare the cargo delivered to orbit, then
shuttle should be measured against Tytan, Proton, Soyuz (the launcher) etc,
rather then Progress.
Between 1981 and now:
Progress missions launched: 49
Mission sucess rate: ?? (100 percent ?)
rendezvouz operations: 50 ?
cargo delivered: ?? (150 tons ?)
cargo returned: ?? (1 ton ?)
To be complete, there have been also 6 large modules launched to the Salut 7 and
MIR stations (Cosmos-1227, Cosmos-1433, Cosmos-1686, Kvant, Kvant-2, Kristall).
If i remember correctly, two first of them returned to Earth big capsules.
Pawel Moskalik
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 22:12:21 GMT
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: ASTRONAUTS---WHAT DOES WEIGHTLESSNESS FEEL
Newsgroups: sci.space
PATE, DENNIS WAYNE (dwp7692@rigel.tamu.edu) wrote:
:
: Two years ago a took a tour of the Johnson Space Center with a group of
: fellow Human Factors Engineering graduate students. Our guide was a
: manager in the Man Systems Dept. and a friend of our prof. While
: showing us the mockup of space station Freedom (the pre-Clinton
: design), he pointed out a new project one of the groups was working
: on. They had observed that some of the astronauts prone to developing
: motion sickness were not as succeptable to it once they had returned
: from a mission. The positive side-effect apparently last for a couple
: of weeks, depending on the individual. They hoped a reversal of the
: situation might also work (i.e. Get them motion sick on the ground, let
: them recover, and then boost them into space). To accomplish this,
: they were constructing some type of miniature roller-coaster (that's
: how our guide describe the device).
:
: I don't know if the device worked, or if it was ever actually completed
: and used. If anyone knows anything about it, please post.
I was a test subject in that thing. They're calling it the Pre-flight
Adaptation Trainer (PAT). Dr. Harm here at MSC (oops, I mean JSC)
seems to be in charge.
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"A scientist can discover a new star, but he cannot make one.
He would have to ask an engineer to do that."
-- Gordon L. Glegg, American Engineer, 1969
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 1993 16:14:41 -0400
From: Pat <prb@access.digex.net>
Subject: Boom! Whoosh......
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <1993May10.134819.8227@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>In article <37860@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:
>The more serious problem would be finding the hanger for painting
>on the logos before launch. Echo was inflated in a blimp hanger,
>but a one mile high hanger might be harder to find. :-)
I would imagine use integral logos.
Continously form the balloon material, with variations in
color or reflectivity manufactured into
the material.
no-one wants to paint that much:-)
pat
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 22:33:20 GMT
From: "Simon E. Booth" <sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Subject: Boom! Whoosh......
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <37860@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:
>In article <1993May8.230330.19720@ringer.cs.utsa.edu+ sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>+
>+Now, with the talk here about this mile-long space balloon, one thing I'd
>+like to know is just how they would manage to pack something that huge into
>+the payload shroud of a rocket or into the payload bay of a shuttle?
>+And exactly what would it look like from the ground?
>
>The Echo I balloon launched in 1960 was 100 feet in diameter and fit
>uninflated into a 28-inch diameter package and weighed 132 pounds.
>
>At a distance of 300 kilometers, one mile subtends 0.3 degrees.
>The sun and the moon subtend 0.5 degrees.
>
That's right- I read in later posts that the mylar for the Echo balloons
was ultra-thin.
But folding a mile-long balloon would still be tricky, although if thin enough
it could fit into a payload shroud.
about the size of the moon from the ground, it might look larger on the
horizon, like the full moon. Of course it would move too fast for that effect
to really be noticeable.
And in the fall we'll see the harvest Coke can rising on autumn nights.
:-)
Simon
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 22:45:12 GMT
From: "Simon E. Booth" <sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu>
Subject: Boom! Whoosh......
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <1993May10.134819.8227@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes:
>In article <37860@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:
>>In article <1993May8.230330.19720@ringer.cs.utsa.edu+ sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>>+
>>+Now, with the talk here about this mile-long space balloon, one thing I'd
>>+like to know is just how they would manage to pack something that huge into
>>+the payload shroud of a rocket or into the payload bay of a shuttle?
>>+And exactly what would it look like from the ground?
>>
>>The Echo I balloon launched in 1960 was 100 feet in diameter and fit
>>uninflated into a 28-inch diameter package and weighed 132 pounds.
>
>If the scaling held, we'd be looking at a 123 foot diameter package
>weighing 3.5 tons for a 1 mile in diameter Echo style balloon. The
>mass is managable, but the payload shroud might be another matter.
>
>The more serious problem would be finding the hanger for painting
>on the logos before launch. Echo was inflated in a blimp hanger,
>but a one mile high hanger might be harder to find. :-)
>
This is exactly what I was thinking. Unless they paint the logos in
sections and attach the sections without actually having to inflate it
on the ground.
Or inflate the whole thing outdoors.
Simon
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 93 20:54:32 BST
From: Peter Churchyard <pjc@cc.ic.ac.uk>
Subject: FAQ and Sky hooks..
Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.space
Is there are FAQ for this group. Like whats the feasiblilty of an sky hook,
elevator to orbit? Are modern materials orders of magnitude to weak? or
is it close?
Pete(I'd rather walk).
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 17:16:39 GMT
From: Steve Willner <willner@head-cfa.harvard.edu>
Subject: HST Servicing Mission
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle,sci.astro
In article <1993May6.185003.9670@stsci.edu>, wissler@stsci.edu (Steve
Wissler,G10,xxx) writes:
> However, how much would it cost per year to service this new
> telescope, probably $250 million per year
Zero.
Consider a possibly familiar analogy. A dishwasher costs $500 and
can be expected to last 5 years, perhaps longer. If the manufacturer
wants to sell you a "service contract" for $125 per year, is that a
good deal?
In fact, I'm not aware of any future NASA Astrophysics mission
planning for servicing.
In this respect, as in so many others, "It won't be like HST." has
become almost a mantra.
--
Steve Willner Phone 617-495-7123 Bitnet: willner@cfa
Cambridge, MA 02138 USA Internet: willner@cfa.harvard.edu
member, League for Programming Freedom; contact lpf@uunet.uu.net
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 1993 22:04:28 GMT
From: Claudio Oliveira Egalon <C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov>
Subject: landing at Edwards vs. the Cape
Newsgroups: sci.space
>> Space shuttle- more people, more hardware, more trips than any other
>> space vehicle. Who can argue with the numbers?
> Presumably you are restricting this argument to manned USA space vehicles.
> If not, a brief review of AW&ST 's annual summaries of USSR/Russian
> launch activity over the last decade might modify the above.
I haven't read the annual summaries of AW&ST BUT I DO remember
that just after the Challenger accident, Air & Space magazine published
a poster entitled "Space Explorers", with the photo of everyone that had
flown in space since the beggining of the Space Age, up to that moment.
Well, I decided to go through the trouble of counting the heads that
flew in an American spacecraft and in the Soviet spacecraft and I found
out that more people had flown in an American space ship than in a
Soviet one. Since then, with the shuttle back to flight, I guess that this
gap has increased even more but, do not forget, we are talking about
the number of different individuals, that flew in space... Also, I
believe that this is mostly due to the Shuttle since no other spacecraft
can carry as many astronauts as the Shuttle does.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov
Claudio Oliveira Egalon
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 1993 20:39 UT
From: Ron Baalke <baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Life on Mars.
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.bio
In article <C6tr4q.BIE@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes...
>The Viking life-detection results are best described as "confusing". There
>were some indications for and some against -- while there were positive
>results in some tests, the overall pattern was not what would have been
>expected from life. The devastating blow was the failure of the GCMS
>experiment to find any organic molecules at all in the soil; it would
>give positive results even on Antarctic soil, but it came up negative
>on Mars. The simplest explanation does seem to be some kind of highly
>active surface chemistry. Somewhat unorthodox forms of life remain a
>possibility that can't be ruled out.
The Viking results showed that there was either some peculiar chemistry
on Mars, or there is some peculiar life form unlike anything on Earth, but
we don't know which one.
I've always thought that the Viking experiments were flawed in that they
were looking for Earth-like life in a non-Earth environment (this being
my own personal opinion, mind you). The assumption was that if there is
life on Mars, then it would be similar to life on Earth. We really don't
know if this is a valid assumption. The difficulty in designing an experiment
to detect a life form on another planet is acknowledged, but on the same
token maybe the experiments should of allowed some leeway for the unexpected.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Once a year, go someplace
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | you've never been before.
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ |
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 1993 20:51 UT
From: Ron Baalke <baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Life on Mars.
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.bio
In article <93130.121835RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>, Larry Zibilske <RPT378@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes...
>I dont know that the results have completely excluded the possibility of life
>on Mars. I have been trying to find the biodata for the Viking missions to
>examine myself. I am a soil microbiolgist and my interests include very low
>level microbial activity detection. I see, for instance, very low but definite
> metabolic activity in very environmentally extreme conditions (temperature,
>moisture) and someone mentioned that the data show a pattern similar to that
>seen in the Viking data....but I cant find the Viking data. Does anyone know
>where this might be obtained? (not the polished public press stuff; but the
>journal article level or orginal pub data)?
The Viking results were published the Journal of Geophysical Research,
Volume 82, number 28, September 30, 1977. This is a rather large volume
with over 700 pages, and ten articles on the biology experiments are included.
If you can't find this journal at your library, you can order
it the American Geophysical Union who reprinted it under the name
"Scientific Results of the Viking Project". You can reach AGU at:
AGU, 2000 Florida Avenue, N.W., Washington D.C., 20009. Their phone
number is (202) 462-6900. I forget the exact price, but it was at some
bargain amount of around $10.
Also, there is good layman article on the Viking science results in the
January 1977 issue of National Geographic.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Once a year, go someplace
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | you've never been before.
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ |
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 1993 21:54 UT
From: Ron Baalke <baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Life on Mars.
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.bio
In article <1sk847$m67@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ak104@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Robert Clark) writes...
>
>
> In the June 1993 issue of _Final Frontier_ there is an interview with
>Dr. Gilbert Levin who designed one of the life detection experiments on
>the Viking missions.
> He's of the opinion that the data from his experiment is indicative of
>life on Mars.
>
>He gives several reasons for this:
>
> 1.) His experiment was the most sensitive of the detection methods.
>
> 2.) The three experiments were designed to detect different kinds
> of life so it should be expected that his gave the only repeated
> life signs.
>
> 3.) One of the detectors was known to not even be sensitive enough to
> detect life even in some Antartica soil samples known to contain life.
Of the three Viking biology experiments, only Dr. Levin's experiment yielded
data which met the criteria originally developed to determine a positive
response for detection of life. If you considered Dr. Levin's Labeled
Release experiment, and only his experiment alone, then the conclusion would
be that living organisms were detected in the Martian soil. However, if you
consider the results from the other Viking experiments, then you cannot
readily draw such a conclusion. The Gas Chromatograph Mass Spectrometer did
not detect any organic compounds in the Martian soil. This is particularly
crucial, because the biologists could not explain how there could be life
without a trace of organic compounds, unless Martian life is substantially
different from Earth life. The Gas Exchange experiment indicated some
kind of super oxide was present which may explain the results in Levin's
experiment.
I think Dr. Levin is trying to discredit the Viking results
which contradict the results from his experiment.
> 4.) In some of the images of martian rocks, there are seasonal changes in
> their coloring similar to moss growing on terrestrial rocks.
I remember seeing Viking images that had color differences that was due
to frost, but this is the first I've heard of it being attributed to
moss.
> Before I read this article I wasn't aware that any of the experiments
> gave repeated life signs. Another thing that surprised me was that after
> all these years there still hasn't been a symposium convened to discuss
> the data returned by the Viking life experiments.
The experiments were repeated several times, and the same results were
obtained each time. There was a Viking conference in Washinton D.C. in 1986
(Viking's 10th landing anniversary).
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Once a year, go someplace
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | you've never been before.
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ |
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 1993 17:58:31 -0400
From: Pat <prb@access.digex.net>
Subject: Location Devices for RVs, also SARSATs
Newsgroups: sci.space
Wales.
THe Russian side of the Sarsat system was up
years before the american side. I don't remember if
we built the flight packages or if it was just a
joint co-ordination office.
pat
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 1993 23:35 UT
From: Ron Baalke <baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject: Mars Observer Update - 05/10/93
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary
Forwarded from:
PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE
JET PROPULSION LABORATORY
CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
PASADENA, CALIF. 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011
MARS OBSERVER MISSION STATUS
May 10, 1993
The Mars Observer spacecraft again switched into contingency
mode -- a self-protective default mode -- at about 4:57 a.m.
Pacific Daylight Time on Sunday, May 9, 1993. Flight controllers
at JPL have decided to evaluate some software modifications that
will improve the spacecraft's attitude control performance before
returning to the normal outer cruise mode.
Contingency mode occurs when the spacecraft is unable to
correctly identify its position in space with respect to certain
stars and the sun. Specifically, the spacecraft's sun sensor
indicates that the position of the sun is not in the same
location as its on-board flight software expects it to be. When
that happens, the spacecraft thinks it has lost its attitude
reference and automatically points at the sun, throwing the high-
gain antenna off target with Earth. Communications are
automatically switched from the high-gain to the low-gain
antenna. All unnecessary power loads, such as the science
instruments and tape recorders, are turned off.
A software fix that will redefine some attitude control
parameters is being evaluated by JPL systems engineers. That
software was expected to be ready for uplink in the next several
weeks.
Today Mars Observer is about 20 million kilometers (12.5
million miles) from Mars and 220 million kilometers (136 million
miles) from Earth. The spacecraft is traveling at a velocity of
about 7,000 kilometers per hour (4,000 miles per hour) with
respect to Mars.
#####
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Once a year, go someplace
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | you've never been before.
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ |
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 21:53:11 GMT
From: "Phil G. Fraering" <pgf@srl06.cacs.usl.edu>
Subject: Neil Armstrong's first words (the real ones)
Newsgroups: sci.space
hqm@ai.mit.edu (Henry Minsky) writes:
>Can anyone tell me what Neil Armstrong's real first words were after
>he stepped out of the apollo 11 lander? Someone told me that they were
>something like "The soil is sandy and loose, I can kick it around with
>my toe" or something like that.
Actually, it was:
"That's one small step for man,... hey, guys, there's this freaking
ALIEN on the crater rim!"
--
Phil Fraering |"Number one good faith! You convert,
pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|you not tortured by demons!" - anon. Mahen missionary
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 21:13:12 GMT
From: Josh Hopkins <jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Space Advertising
Newsgroups: sci.space
wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:
>In article <1993May8.230330.19720@ringer.cs.utsa.edu+ sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>+
>+Now, with the talk here about this mile-long space balloon, one thing I'd
>+like to know is just how they would manage to pack something that huge into
>+the payload shroud of a rocket or into the payload bay of a shuttle?
>+And exactly what would it look like from the ground?
>The Echo I balloon launched in 1960 was 100 feet in diameter and fit
>uninflated into a 28-inch diameter package and weighed 132 pounds.
>At a distance of 300 kilometers, one mile subtends 0.3 degrees.
>The sun and the moon subtend 0.5 degrees.
And that's going to define what type of advertising can be done. Puting up a
bright point (or collection of them) isn't hard and would attract attention.
However, it's going to be very hard to put your logo in space, simply because
space is a rather big place. If a one mile billboard at 300 km subtends .3
degrees, and a human can resolve 1 arcminute (I'm pulling that from memory -
please correct me if I'm wrong) then a 1 mi^2 billboard has something like
20x20 pixels. You might be able to draw golden arches legibly, but certainly
not the Coke logo.
I recall being at the top of a peak in the French Alps where the horizon was
something like 80 km away. Even other mountains start to look very small very
fast at these kinds of distances.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Find a way or make one."
-attributed to Hannibal
------------------------------
Date: 10 May 93 19:06:09 -0600
From: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey <higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov>
Subject: Space Advertising and Visual Acuity
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <C6txM0.LsF@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) writes:
> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:
>>At a distance of 300 kilometers, one mile subtends 0.3 degrees.
>>The sun and the moon subtend 0.5 degrees.
>
> And that's going to define what type of advertising can be done. Puting up a
> bright point (or collection of them) isn't hard and would attract attention.
> However, it's going to be very hard to put your logo in space, simply because
> space is a rather big place. If a one mile billboard at 300 km subtends .3
> degrees, and a human can resolve 1 arcminute (I'm pulling that from memory -
> please correct me if I'm wrong) then a 1 mi^2 billboard has something like
> 20x20 pixels. You might be able to draw golden arches legibly, but certainly
> not the Coke logo.
A quick look at the usual bible of this, *Human Factors Engineering*
by Ernest J. McCormick suggests that you're in the right ballpark.
Visual acuity (angular resolution) depends on the contrast of what
you're looking at, and on the amount of illumination available. If
your orbiting billboard has something very bright against the black of
space, you might be able to get down to 0.7 or 0.5 arcmin.
The Moon is a rotten case because it's so dark; maria have an albedo
of 7% to 10%, highlands a bit higher (11%-18%). So dropping or
painting absolutely black stuff on the Moon would never get you a
contrast better than about 15%, which limits acuity to about 1
arcmin-- call it 30 pixels across the lunar equator.
(This is also bad news for those of you who are working out
laser-drawn cartoons to illuminate the Moon.)
You could do better by spraying high-albedo stuff-- maybe iron or
aluminum dust?-- if it was 85% albedo, you could get about 82%
contrast, and get about 60 pixels under good illumination conditions
(full Moon, I guess).
Lots of people on Earth have binoculars or telescopes. Maybe you
should put the Golden Arches on the Moon, then write the name
"McDonald's" for the benefit of readers with optical aids.
In really small letters (like 1 km high) we could write "IF YOU CAN
READ THIS, THANK AN ASTRONOMER."
How long before there are customers on the Moon and people think about
drawing designs on the Earth for their viewing pleasure?
Bill Higgins, Beam Jockey | Here Lies Bill Higgins:
Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | He Never Ever Learned
Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | To Play Guitar So Well
Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | But He Could Read and Write
SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | Just Like Ringing A Bell
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 21:29:04 GMT
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Vandalizing the sky
Newsgroups: sci.space
Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) wrote:
: But this would require far more of my time and resources to do than walking
: past an earthly billboard. Even if we have commercial space travel, it's as
: if whenever I wanted to see past an Earthly billboard, I had to take a trip
: to Alaska.
In the US, if you want to find a place which is not affected by the
Hand of Man, you DO have to go to Alaska. Most of the country has been
altered, in one way or another, by human presence. No place on Earth
is entirely untouched by human intervention. We humans are part of
nature, and you'll find us and our influence everwhere you look. One
of the most visible examples is light pollution around cities, and
changes in the atmosphere everywhere on the planet. (You have heard
about that little problem with the ozone layer, I presume.)
Whining that "My view of the sky will be messed up!" not a valid
argument against space-based advertising. Try another. (I can think
of several.)
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"NASA turns dreams into realities and makes science fiction
into fact" -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 10 May 1993 21:51:11 GMT
From: kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
Subject: Vandalizing the Sky
Newsgroups: sci.space
F.Baube[tm] (flb@flb.optiplan.fi) wrote:
[...]
: That's roughly akin to saying let's let Anaconda strip-mine
: the Grand Canyon so that strip-mining can boldly go where no
: strip mining technology has gone before .. because after all,
: mining means profits, and profits mean technological advance-
: ment, and technogical advancement means prosperity, and pros-
: perity means happiness, and so to hell with the Grand Canyon ..
Space advertisement in LOW Earth Orbit is very short term -- on the
order of a few years before the orbit decays. (Higher orbits last
longer.) Advertisers will certainly be aware of the environmental
aspects of their advertising. Fred's argument is roughly akin to
saying that it's bad to cut down trees, so we shouldn't advertise in
newspapers. Think that through, Fred.
Picture this: Our space billboard is a LARGE inflatable structure,
filled with "bio-degradable" foam instead of gas. It scoops up space
debris as it orbits, thus CLEANING the space environment and bringing
you The Pause That Refreshes at the same time. Because of the large
drag coefficient, it will de-orbit -- safely burning up -- within a
year.
Embedded in the foam structure is a small re-entry vehicle, which does
not burn up during entry. It contains the electronics and propulsion
system (which may be refurbished and re-used) as well as space science
experiments proposed and built by high school students in
advertiser-sponsored science fairs.
Advertisers buy time on the billboard, whose surface is made up of
tiny mirrors controlled by the avionics package. The avionics can
reconfigure the mirrors to reflect different messages at different
parts of the globe. Clever programming allows different languages
to every country.
During orbital night, the mirrors turn perpendicular to the surface,
and small lights are revealed. The lights spell out messages for all
to see.
-- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office
kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH
FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON
JULY 1969, A.D.
WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND."
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Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 10:25:46 +0100
From: zcapk43@ucl.ac.uk (Peter Newman)
In an article on 1993 May 9, James Nicholl <jdnichol@prism.ccs.uwo.ca> writes:
>Is a 550+ AU observatory (Unmanned, of course) something I might expect to see...
James: Check out the book "Space: The Next 100 Years" by Nicholas Booth (1990,
Mitchell Beazley, London, ISBN: 0-85533-791-5) regarding the TAU (Thousand
Astronomical Unit) mission proposed (apparently) by JPL. Would use ion thrusters
to move about 20 AU/year, so would reach 500 AU in your life time (god willing).
Don't know the current status, so maybe someone from JPL could pick up the
thread...
Bon voyage,
Pete Newman <zcapk43@uk.ac.ucl>
Astronomy I, Dept. of Physics & Astronomy
University College London
England, WC1E 6BT
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